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	<title>Comments on: Dan Proft caught fibbing &#8217;bout fact-checking&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: robnesvacil</title>
		<link>http://illinoisreason.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/dan-proft-caught-fibbing/#comment-5755</link>
		<dc:creator>robnesvacil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 18:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You presume much and offer little, relevant or otherwise.

The central point of the discussion was the same point Gov. Huckabee made up until McCain earned enough delegates, yet after it became mathematically decisive.

That the press has operated in a completely different and opposite manner in light of those same circumstances is a matter for the media's own navel-gazing to discuss.

As for your fib ... my assertion -- plain as day -- is that it speaks to the character of your person. As does your 'relationship' to Ms. Johnson, and her shilling on your behalf. As does your other fib, later in the week, in your column.

After a certain number of "misstatements" it becomes clear there's a consistent problem.

You may complain and whine about my pointing these things out to your heart's content. But it doesn't change the pattern you've created for yourself.

Cheers, 

Rob Nesvacil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You presume much and offer little, relevant or otherwise.</p>
<p>The central point of the discussion was the same point Gov. Huckabee made up until McCain earned enough delegates, yet after it became mathematically decisive.</p>
<p>That the press has operated in a completely different and opposite manner in light of those same circumstances is a matter for the media&#8217;s own navel-gazing to discuss.</p>
<p>As for your fib &#8230; my assertion &#8212; plain as day &#8212; is that it speaks to the character of your person. As does your &#8216;relationship&#8217; to Ms. Johnson, and her shilling on your behalf. As does your other fib, later in the week, in your column.</p>
<p>After a certain number of &#8220;misstatements&#8221; it becomes clear there&#8217;s a consistent problem.</p>
<p>You may complain and whine about my pointing these things out to your heart&#8217;s content. But it doesn&#8217;t change the pattern you&#8217;ve created for yourself.</p>
<p>Cheers, </p>
<p>Rob Nesvacil</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Proft</title>
		<link>http://illinoisreason.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/dan-proft-caught-fibbing/#comment-5753</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Proft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 12:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get it..."Illinois Reason" is like one of those reverse nicknames, like when you call a short guy "stretch".  It's intended to highlight what someone it not.  Clearly, reason is a stranger to this blog.  It is little more than a vanity page for misanthropic green thumbs and arrested adolescent left wingers to see who can throw the biggest temper tantrum.

Yes, I misspoke when I said Obama had not won anything since Super Tuesday.   However, if you weren't so hyper-charged to prattle on about distinctions that fail to eluidate differences, you would recognize that in context what I was responding to and, in effect defending, was the idea that Clinton had up until Indy/NC been making a legitimate case that she should continue her campaign and that she could be the nominee.

While it is certainly true that Obama won primaries between Super Tuesday and NC, it is also quite clear that the big state primaries where the nation's attention was focused (you'll note that PA, for example, generated a bit more attention than Mississippi), Clinton was winning and thereby furthering her case.

The irony of a Republican being criticized for a misstatement in defense of Clinton, a former idol of yours I presume, and the electoral legitimacy of her campaign up until NC (and you'll also note that I said the race was over and Obama is the nominee) is clearly lost on you all as I suspect most other matters of relevance are.

Some day I hope to be given the same consideration for mis-statements that you all give Obama and his "mis-statement of the week" campaign.

Congratulations on "catching" me making a technically inaccurate statement while missing the central points of the entire discussion.  

Regards,

Dan Proft</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get it&#8230;&#8221;Illinois Reason&#8221; is like one of those reverse nicknames, like when you call a short guy &#8220;stretch&#8221;.  It&#8217;s intended to highlight what someone it not.  Clearly, reason is a stranger to this blog.  It is little more than a vanity page for misanthropic green thumbs and arrested adolescent left wingers to see who can throw the biggest temper tantrum.</p>
<p>Yes, I misspoke when I said Obama had not won anything since Super Tuesday.   However, if you weren&#8217;t so hyper-charged to prattle on about distinctions that fail to eluidate differences, you would recognize that in context what I was responding to and, in effect defending, was the idea that Clinton had up until Indy/NC been making a legitimate case that she should continue her campaign and that she could be the nominee.</p>
<p>While it is certainly true that Obama won primaries between Super Tuesday and NC, it is also quite clear that the big state primaries where the nation&#8217;s attention was focused (you&#8217;ll note that PA, for example, generated a bit more attention than Mississippi), Clinton was winning and thereby furthering her case.</p>
<p>The irony of a Republican being criticized for a misstatement in defense of Clinton, a former idol of yours I presume, and the electoral legitimacy of her campaign up until NC (and you&#8217;ll also note that I said the race was over and Obama is the nominee) is clearly lost on you all as I suspect most other matters of relevance are.</p>
<p>Some day I hope to be given the same consideration for mis-statements that you all give Obama and his &#8220;mis-statement of the week&#8221; campaign.</p>
<p>Congratulations on &#8220;catching&#8221; me making a technically inaccurate statement while missing the central points of the entire discussion.  </p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Dan Proft</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
		<link>http://illinoisreason.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/dan-proft-caught-fibbing/#comment-5683</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 12:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan Proft's obviously too busy raking in cash from his contract(s) with the town of Cicero, for doing who knows what.  The mayor there owes him.  That's one of the few races Proft's won.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan Proft&#8217;s obviously too busy raking in cash from his contract(s) with the town of Cicero, for doing who knows what.  The mayor there owes him.  That&#8217;s one of the few races Proft&#8217;s won.</p>
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		<title>By: McCain&#8217;s home on the range &#171; Illinois Reason</title>
		<link>http://illinoisreason.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/dan-proft-caught-fibbing/#comment-5672</link>
		<dc:creator>McCain&#8217;s home on the range &#171; Illinois Reason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8230;and PPS: Proft lies again (he told a different lie earlier this week on Chicago Tonight). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8230;and PPS: Proft lies again (he told a different lie earlier this week on Chicago Tonight). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Nesvacil</title>
		<link>http://illinoisreason.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/dan-proft-caught-fibbing/#comment-5660</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Nesvacil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 04:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On that, you'll have to ask Georgia. The camera wasn't on her but I wonder if her face lit up with surprise at such a whopper.

Agreed on Carol Marin's tone. Traditional Media Syndrome?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On that, you&#8217;ll have to ask Georgia. The camera wasn&#8217;t on her but I wonder if her face lit up with surprise at such a whopper.</p>
<p>Agreed on Carol Marin&#8217;s tone. Traditional Media Syndrome?</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://illinoisreason.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/dan-proft-caught-fibbing/#comment-5656</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 02:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carol almost seemed ticked at Georgia for saying the blogosphere acts as a fact checker.  And why didn't Georgia correct Dan on his horribly erroneous comment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carol almost seemed ticked at Georgia for saying the blogosphere acts as a fact checker.  And why didn&#8217;t Georgia correct Dan on his horribly erroneous comment?</p>
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